Guildwarsguru and PVXwiki exposed!

Ignoring all this arguing, let's go more in-depth about the build. Since you spent ~6k hours playing guildwars (unless you actually played 10k, which is a year and a half), I'm guessing you've used the builds you posted to clear such elite areas such as doa, slaver's exile, frostmaw, and urgoz yes? Care to provide pictures of clearing these areas with any of your builds and a set of heroes? Because if you claim you know better than me, I'd like you to prove it. Choose an elite area like DoA and do it in either HM or NM. provide screenshots cataloging the build you used and the builds on your heroes as well as how long it took you. It will be helpful if you list on the actually forum what builds you used, and explain why you chose the build(s) you did. You're not allowed to use alcohol or consumables when doing these areas, these just detract from a player's skill and aren't necessary to clear any area. You've played a couple months longer than I have, so I expect you to have even more knowledge about the game than I do. I'll provide my times, using heroes, for these areas as requested, and screenshots if you so desire. I'm asking you to put your money where your mouth is and show me once and for all that your builds are good and well thought instead of skill abrs for people to stare at. I'm looking forward to what you produce. then maybe you can convince me and all the other non-believers that you are right.

relyk wrote:

let's go more in-depth about the build.

Yet again, there's a section designed for discussing my builds, after carefully looking at them, reading the description, and understanding how they work. You know this very clearly already, so there's no excuse for it at this point. You're only trying to counter/divert in a desperate attempt at one-upmanship.

relyk wrote:

Since you spent ~6k hours playing guildwars (unless you actually played 10k, which is a year and a half)

10,000 hours is not a year and a half. 13,140 hours is a year and a half. Also, my account screenshot is out of date. My current /age is this...



If you can't wrap your head around that, then imagine how much of that time was spent here...

relyk wrote:

I'm guessing you've used the builds you posted to clear such elite areas such as doa, slaver's exile, frostmaw, and urgoz yes?

DOA - I used to do DOA every day, back when there were no PvE skills and consumables. Titan runs would take 2-4 hours, up to 8 hours if you had a bad player, with a 50% chance of the NPC bugging at the end, all for a single Titan Gemstone. A bunch of us used to get drunk between runs, go into DOA and /roll for greens, gemstones and gold. Due to the environmental effects, only highly specialised builds would work, by design. But I haven't done DOA since they added its monument and made it easy. Here's a few souvenirs I still have left, earned through many DOA runs, done the hard way...



Slavers' Exile - If I remember right, the only problem I had was with Duncan's [spirit rift] in Hard Mode. I countered this by flagging heroes to different positions around him, moving them out of [spirit rift] whenever I could. [Unyielding Aura] kept up with those it spiked out.

Frostmaw's Burrows - Hero/henched it with no consumables. I don't remember this one being a problem.

If I didn't beat Slavers' Exile and Frostmaw's Burrows in Hard mode, then how did I get Legendary Master of the North?

Urgoz's Warren - Like DOA, I used to do this a long time ago. After they added the monument, I went in with a couple of friends and some randoms. We had two Monks. I was one of them, and we both used my build...

[Unyielding Aura;OwAT043AZ6upkIj4ioLSiIHkhAA]

Keep in mind I did all this when you could only use 3 heroes. The builds I used most often were a mix of...

[Dunkoro;OwAS0YIT3NlEZENgSEdRXEME]
[Tahlkora;OwAS0YIT3NlEZENgSEdRXEME]
[Norgu;OQNEAYwj2C9CgAWAu1knlB0DgGB]
[Gwen;OQNEAowj2yUAuAaABHHID0DQjA]
[Olias;OAhkUwG4hGKUMTVlC4pTdQC4XQyF]
[Razah;OACiAyi8UO/mR7N3Z7ayMrmA]

But a good hero doesn't replace a good player. Heroes are only as good as the player that controls them.

relyk wrote:

Care to provide pictures of clearing these areas with any of your builds and a set of heroes?

Why would I save screenshots of finishing those areas? Would you take a photo of beating World 1-4 on Super Mario Brothers? I only take screenshots if it's interesting or important. Here are some examples I found, some of which are years old...

30 minute Heroes Ascent match
50 minute match Monking in Random Arena
144 minute Random Arena match
1,844 damage in a single hit
Army of One, before nerf
Winning Halls with random pug and hench

And here's a controversial screenshot someone took, that travelled around the internet and found its way back to me - An example of what I've been saying all along.

relyk wrote:

Because if you claim you know better than me, I'd like you to prove it.

I've already proved it very clearly. But I don't need to, you do a good job of proving it yourself, 'Don;t hate on the seeping wound critical wand assassin, that shit will kick as in jq if you let it'.

[Seeping Critical Wand Assassin;OwZkokL4XNykCEygvAAg+zioLjtA]

You said it yourself, 'You've played a couple months longer than I have, so I expect you to have even more knowledge about the game than I do'

relyk wrote:

Choose an elite area like DoA and do it in either HM or NM. provide screenshots cataloging the build you used and the builds on your heroes as well as how long it took you. It will be helpful if you list on the actually forum what builds you used, and explain why you chose the build(s) you did...I'll provide my times, using heroes, for these areas as requested, and screenshots if you so desire

Ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger. Example - The topic of this thread is the exposure of guildwarsguru and PVX. You have no valid argument to defend them, so you counter with an attack on myself my builds. Relyk said, 'my educated guess is that you're not in fact 93 years old, but 13 years waiting for your balls to drop. Such a depressing person should not exist on this planet. You are an autist. kthxbai. moo!'. Relyk also said, 'Your builds are complete crap'.

Red herring: a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at hand by introducing a separate argument which the speaker believes will be easier to speak to. Example - Repeated attempts to change the topic of this thread.

Shifting the goalposts: argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded. Example - Dismissing the evidence of your bad builds, and demanding I prove myself outside of the established evidence against you, by demanding I jump through a series of hoops in a new challenge scripted by you.

Kettle logic: using multiple inconsistent arguments to defend a position. Example - Relyk said, 'Wikia pvx now serves as a look into the apst of all pvxwiki's greatness'. Relyk also said, 'I agree that pvxwiki is designed to promote builds that compensate for effort, intelligence, and skill'.

Begging the question: where the conclusion of an argument is implicitly or explicitly assumed in one of the premises. Example - Relyk said, 'if you claim you know better than me, I'd like you to prove it'. Relyk also said, 'I expect you to have even more knowledge about the game than I do'.

I could go on and on.

You want to send me off on a wild goose chase, to re-prove something that has no bearing on the point at hand whatsoever. If you can't properly examine and understand a build, look at its description, and discuss it in the section designed for it before critisizing it, then you're no better than a mosquito.



Elite Missions like The Underworld, Fissure of Woe, Sorrow's Furnace, Tomb of the Primeval Kings, The Deep, Urgoz Warren, Mallyx the Unyielding and Slaver's Exile are designed to require unique team builds that only work in those missions. However, as stated above, I've used my current listed builds in these areas without a problem. If you bothered to notice, I don't have an 'Elite Dungeon' or 'Farming' section yet. That's because it isn't needed. If you want to make highly specfiic farming builds to repeat the same mission over and over, be my guest. That isn't playing the game. It's hoarding, and it's what bad players do to feel big, instead of stepping outside their comfort zone and adapting to new challenges. I've met players who have played the game for years, and never even finished a campaign. They get to Temple of the Ages, and do nothing but farm ecto for years, with nothing to show for it but a huge epeen to counterbalance what they lack in a realpeen. That is really messed up. If I do end up adding a farming/specialized section, I'll be sure to make it very clear that I discourage excessive farming. If you're that hard up for gold, work on some titles and get the gold you need in the process. That's how the game was meant to be played.

relyk wrote:

You're not allowed to use alcohol or consumables when doing these areas, these just detract from a player's skill and aren't necessary to clear any area.

I'll admit it, I was under the influence of rum while doing some of those missions. But no fictional character was under the influence of pixelmohol, nor were they using any consumables other than the photoelectric code that generated them.

relyk wrote:

I'm asking you to put your money where your mouth is and show me once and for all that your builds are good and well thought instead of skill abrs for people to stare at.

I've put my money where my mouth is by making this website, getting 10,000 hours logged, maxing out 100 titles, calling you out on your bovis puppis and proving myself in-game countless times over the years. All you've done is put your mouth where your ass is. Pull your thumb out.

relyk wrote:

I'm looking forward to what you produce. then maybe you can convince me and all the other non-believers that you are right.

The builds listed on this website are but a fraction of the builds I've made over the years. The builds listed here are only the best of those I've used since making this website. I'm here to reason, while you're here to convince. I'll let reason do the convincing, while you try to convince around reason. What you believe is irrelevant.

[build prof][/build]

So you honestly won't take the time to go clear an elite area and get a single screenshot to back up your builds? Because otherwise, the admins seem justified in removing the thread in what they deemed to be a bunch of crappy builds. I haven't seen a single image of any of your builds in action. You can only work with words so much when discussing the viability of builds.

relyk wrote:

So you honestly won't take the time to go clear an elite area and get a single screenshot to back up your builds?

So you honestly won't take the time to look over my builds, read their description, and understand how they work before commenting critically (not cynically) about them in the section designed for build discussion? Of course you won't. You've already made it clear that you are clueless to the game basics, and lack the reasoning skills required to make valid judgements. You're only here to spew verbal diarrhea to counter the contents of my original post.

I've spent countless hours going through the finer details of builds with players in-game over the years. I only reserve that time for those who have the intellectual aptitude for it, not for lazy, arrogant and apathetic sheeple with the mind of a fish.

relyk wrote:

the admins seem justified in removing the thread in what they deemed to be a bunch of crappy builds

How so? I posted builds to be discussed in the guildwarsguru build discussion forum. They are deleted, and nothing but lies and feeble excuses are offfered in its place. There is no justification for what they did. There is no justification for what you have done. If my builds were as bad as you say, then you would have jumped at the chance to correct them and offer alternatives in the section dedicated to build discussion. But all you can offer is a pathetic wanding Assassin griefing build. You're bluffing with an empty hand, against someomne with the whole deck. All you have are lies to excuse the plague known as curse.com.

relyk wrote:

I haven't seen a single image of any of your builds in action

Then try them, after carefully looking at them, reading the description, and understanding how they work.



Think before you act, not act before you think.

relyk wrote:

You can only work with words so much when discussing the viability of builds

I have more than wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooords. All you have is verbal diarrhea. You can only make pottery out of bullshit for so long.

I'm not discussing the builds, I'm discussing you using the builds. The original author of the builds would use them a lot better than I could. I want to know how effective you are with them. Me trying to understand the builds is pointless since I'm lazy, arrogant and apathetic sheeple with the mind of a fish.

Relyk, I'm not here to name call, abuse, or degrade you, and neither is Terran. Terran made this site out of a hope that the bar could be raised on the flavor of the month meta-game bullshit that only degrades players, he didn't make it to bash you, he didn't make it to call you arrogant or lazy, You came here in an extremely disruptive tone, only wanting to cause bullshit using pointless arguments that didn't get anyone anywhere and you were dealt with. Relyk, I want to give you a choice, if you actually want to discuss builds, put hard thought into it, discuss things in a very real way, actually want to improve as a guildwars player, and stop degrading the community around you; then stop fucking around with pointless bullshit and grow up.


Should you do that you will be treated with the same respect as is given to anyone else, should you want to discuss things, and actually try to learn, and me and terran are more than willing to show you the power of the builds you so blindly mocked that we have shown to countless others.
This is your choice; Either grow up and learn to play with the big boys that are outside your sandbox, or continue down the destructive path that has served you so well here; and that relic is the choice I leave up to you. Do with it what you wish.


I want to give you ONE example of one of the builds I strongly advocate, it's found in many sections, but best explained here It's official name is the Resilient boon prot or just boon prot, It's a build I am very familiar with, during Me and Terran's alliance battle days, it has held up to entire 12 man teams with both good and bad builds, though the latter goes without saying. It has held those battles for ridiculous amounts of time and sometimes winning entire matches for that reason.


This build has pissed off so many trolls, because they look at it call it a joke, and then get rick rolled flattened and probably feel humiliated for losing to it. It is a build that not many people can run these days, though everyone if they bother to actually try, can achieve anything. This build is one of many that do not follow meta and have achieved far higher results across all arenas than any meta build could hope to. If you don't believe me, then man up learn how real builds work, and then and only then come for a a match with us and witness first hand.

Boon prot monk was meta years ago, about the time when Guildwars died. He didn't create this site for some noble purpose such as repairing the game. There was no hope for that from the start. He created the site to stroke his penis and look down at other players to make himself feel better since there's nothing he can do about. You should know this being in the same guild and his friend. I really don't care if you guys go on sucking each other's dicks, but it was a joy talking with. Maybe people will start listening when he get in a <200 gvg guild or starts clearing UW HM with a heroway, but I don't see a casual gw player, who plays just to socialize with a couple of his friends and creates a forum to rage at people who seem to act like autists and bait him, doing so. He missed the party a long time ago and no one really gives a shit about original and creative builds anymore. Guildwars isn't a place to run fun builds anymore simply because it's not a "fun" game anymore. That makes this forum all the more depressing, it's a horse in it's death throes before it gets a chance to race.

Relyk, your timing is extremely suspicious, today Terran posted a build about Silven shadow, a very sad troll who acted like a stalker, approximately 10 or 15 minutes after i sent the original link to Silven shadow of that thread, you respond twice, that timing is suspicious regardless of how you want to look at it. With your post you also say you know Terrans' intentions, like you have gotten to know him for at least sometime, the truth is, with how much you have had contact you wouldn't possible know that, you couldn't even remotely speculate on someone you met a few posts ago, no one could. There are two reasons you would of said that, either you think you knew him from at least some amount of time, or because you're making a bald face lie, a toddler knows you don't know get to know or understand someone as quickly as that. You leave me with those two distinct possibilities, whether you are Silven or someone close to him, the timing is extremely suspicious, and you troll much, much like him, you deal with problems in the same manor he does. Ignoring them. That suggests to me you're either him or someone close to him.


Beyond that you're total ignorance of my post shows you don't know how to respond to what I said, I gave you a great opportunity to knock off your crap, it looks like you have chosen to remain that toddler screaming about nothing in you're sandbox. Personally, I have been in many r200 (or less) gvg guilds, I have been in many, many guilds that did Speed clears depending at what time that farming method was in game, I have farmed many many things, it doesn't take more than a nine year old to learn the same old repetitious crap. It doesn't matter how many people believe Terran, and it goes the same for me, we aren't hear to play ego games or troll people, we are hear to raise the bar on the community. You can make all the people in the world think the world it flat, as Christopher Columbus found out, believing doesn't make something true.



I haven't been playing as long as Terran, but I have been playing for about five years, and I don't remember any people running boon prot monk as meta, all I have ever heard is how it's an absolute joke, laughed at by people who considered themselves the best constantly, I don't buy that it was meta for a second. Some people might have tried it at some point, but it's never been meta. I know there have been attempts to recreate Terrans' boon prot, but all of them who tried to replicate his build just badly broke it over and over, and those versions didn't work. Stop trying to lie so desperately, I can straight through you're crap.



To be honest, I find Guildwars doing better now than it was just a few months ago honestly, I have actually seen more players around, and many newbies, some who have actually hope of progressing, unlike you; and just because you got bored of running crap builds and trolling on Guildwars, doesn't mean others feel the same way, until you can bring your self to accept your own skill level, you will be incapable of progressing any further, and stuck in you're own proverbial rut of your own creation. He who fights with ego fights with one arm tied behind his back. I don't even know how you come back here day after day making less and less competent posts avoiding all responsibility for you're actions.

Skimmed over this pile of bullshit, nice work Terran with your 8hour DoA run, I've done it in 1hr 30m with 2 people 6 heroes and only Proph skills. You're pve skills rival your pvp skills, although at that level they'd both be approaching 0. And Wrath, wtf are you? You have yet to make a single legitimate claim or arguement, all you do is suck up to a player who is only known for other people calling him out for being terrible, bullshit just flows from your mouth like a broken dam.

Relyk +1 for being a boss.

Edit:
Lol you got banned on guru and pvx for being bad, orly?

relyk wrote:

Boon prot monk was meta years ago

Yes, it was. [Offering of Blood] boon prots were only just barely popular, because few monks could run them. Most Monks at the time ran a crap and simple [mantra of recall] boon prot, after observing others like myself use boon so efficiently. My Melandrus Boon Prot predates them all, it's as old as the game itself.

relyk wrote:

about the time when Guildwars died

About the time losers like you infested the game you mean. Even now, Guild Wars is far from dead. It's sick, very sick, but very much alive and still at the top of the mmo charts.

relyk wrote:

He didn't create this site for some noble purpose such as repairing the game

It's not my game to repair. But I am an active member of its community, and ill use that position responsibly to do my part for encouraging a more functional and constructive paradigm, even if noone else does.

relyk wrote:

There was no hope for that from the start

Guarantee you I've done more for the game that you ever could, for or against. And I do it without being a fake.

relyk wrote:

He created the site to stroke his penis and look down at other players to make himself feel better since there's nothing he can do about

Quite the opposite. I've shown very clearly that you're the one doing that. I help raise players up, and spend a lot of time helping out random players and setting them on the right direction, even giving out my own gold at times. And Wrath does this too. All you do is drag it down for everyone like a parasite.

relyk wrote:

You should know this being in the same guild and his friend

He knows my intentions all too well, and he knows my motives are legitimate. That's why he corrected you on your false claims of motive.

relyk wrote:

Maybe people will start listening when he get in a <200 gvg

Done it all in the past. You have no idea about my gaming history. I would put you to great shame.

relyk wrote:

I don't see a casual gw player, who plays just to socialize with a couple of his friends and creates a forum to rage at people who seem to act like autists and bait him, doing so

You're a casual gamer who likes to role play pretend you're 'pro' by making it up as you go. I'm a veteran with 30+ years gaming experience, and that's just the tip of the ice berg buddy.

relyk wrote:

He missed the party a long time ago and no one really gives a shit about original and creative builds anymore

Then leave, and get out of our way. Guild Wars is Build Wars. Half of the game is making builds.

relyk wrote:

Guildwars isn't a place to run fun builds anymore simply because it's not a "fun" game anymore

Then again, leave. Let the rest of us play the actual game, without your meddling, griefing, trolling and vandalism.

relyk wrote:

That makes this forum all the more depressing, it's a horse in it's death throes before it gets a chance to race

It's called a battle cry, the gears of war in motion. It's what you hear, right before you get stomped.

Jax wrote:

Skimmed over this pile of bullshit

That's your problem. You take shortcuts and guess the rest. You're not willing to do the hard work, and hence why you fail.

Jax wrote:

nice work Terran with your 8hour DoA run, I've done it in 1hr 30m with 2 people 6 heroes and only Proph skills.

Normal Torment+Titan runs were 2 -3 hours, before consumables, heroes, PvE only skills, huge PvE buffs, and the rebalance that made DOA easy. There were only a handful of players back then who could do it, hence why an Armbrace of Truth used to cost stacks of ecto. It was made much easier since then. I got all my stuff done when it meant something.

Jax wrote:

You're pve skills rival your pvp skills

Thank you. I try to be a rounded player. Both PvE and PvP compliment each other. And the best way to beat another profession is to master it.

Jax wrote:

although at that level they'd both be approaching 0

Hmm, you're regularly outdone by someone with 0 skill. If that was true, what does that make you? Oh, that's right... you've never lost to me right? Whatever makes you happy, and prevents you from throwing another toddler tantrum.

Jax wrote:

And Wrath, wtf are you? You have yet to make a single legitimate claim or arguement

On the contrary, you have yet to make a single legitimate claim or argument, as always.

Jax wrote:

all you do is suck up to a player who is only known for other people calling him out for being terrible

All you do is gang up on other people and call them terrible.

Jax wrote:

bullshit just flows from your mouth like a broken dam.

Use the bag above please.

Jax wrote:

Relyk +1 for being a boss.

-2 for lacking leadership skills and faking it.

Jax wrote:

Lol you got banned on guru and pvx for being bad, orly?

I posted in Guru, not PVX. If my builds were bad, then it could have easily been pointed out. All you lot have been able to offer is a bunch of lies and a wanding Assassin build. We have been here many times before, and you just run away from real build discussion because your mountain of poo falls to pieces under the microscope, then you throw a toddler tantrum and deny it ever happened.

[build prof][/build]

I recognize silven shadow from pvx because he's a giant shitter and an autist. I found the thread while heading to this thread since i recognized the name surprisingly. Also I'm not going to suck your penis no matter how much you want Wrath. And buying your way into guilds doesn't constitute playing GvG. As for Terran, being a 40+ year old man and dedicating so much time to a mmo like guildwars is pretty sad in my books. I'd think you would have better things to do at that age. And saying I have no idea about you guys from a couple posts is pretty conceded when both of you seem to know all about me, my intelligence, and my skill level. So here's what I know about terran:
* He's a ~45 year old man whose played Guildwars from around the start of the game.
* His age pertains to WW1, which significance is either one of his parents or grandparents served in the war and he's honoring them or others who did.
* He's logged >11000 hours of play time, which is (almost) 1.5 years. I'm assuming around a 1000 of those hours are afk, which he didn't c/d.
* He creates and stores every single build he creates.
* He enjoys creating and using his own builds for areas and playing with other people more than discussing and strategizing what the optimal builds are.
* He's unfamiliar with community sites and only recently tried contributing to them, otherwise it seems he's lurked around pvx@wikia, guildguru, gwwiki, and other sites through the guildwars.com fansite list.
* He screenshots as often as anyone else, as shown with the post about silven; I'm pretty sure he has pics of various accomplishments over the years.
* He gets baited quite easily by any post and responds on a line-by-line basis, picking out anything he feels is wrong.
* He creates elaborate responses with these retorts and puts various youtube videos to accompany them. An extraordinary effort compared to the simple text blocks everyone else has been posting.
* He created this site for the purposing of showcasing his builds in response to the fact guildguru refused to display his builds and went as far as to ban him. He ran this under the idea guildguru corrupts effective builds and creating a site of his own would do the exact opposite.
* He makes no effort to be nice in spite of people calling him an autist, instead responding in kind. Of course, he has no reason to for such people and that's a perfectly valid excuse.
* I know you and terran are in the same guild and most of the users aside from the "trolls" are friends of yours, so this is pretty much a forum for terran's friend base.
* You both were/are active in playing with various pugs over the years and built up a friend network.
* Your both in the same small compact guild and move around in alliances as old guilds and alliances die while the fiends remain the same.
* He's going to respond to each and every one of these lines with a snazzy comment correcting each line.

Alas, if you or him consider this a small fragment of terran's principles and attitude toward guildwars and communicating with other people, there's really no much more I can say.
Wrath, you said earlier "you show me yours, I'll show you mine, put up or shut up." I figured terran would make the same offer, although I have no idea how you planned to put up. The only way you can honestly put up is to have screenshots of your feats in-game, I figured terran is more than honorable enough to submit screenshots, especially when he's done since he done so already.

I've played through every single area in pve with heroes in nm and most in hm. Ive barely done any speedclears or pug groups because I find them boring and irritating, although you guys have done them in the past and maybe currently.

Relyk, I may have been a little quick to call you silven, if you aren't him, than I was wrong, but I find it odd you call him an autist, and a shitter, he acts much like you do, almost exactly like you do, the way you tried to rebut what I said looks suspicious, very much so. The only one referencing sucking my penis here is you, so just please leave that one at the door.

Relyk, that post looks like it has some heart in it, and honestly, it looks like your actually admitting to some things that are actually true, and the truth is, we would love to prove everything we say, i repeat, WE WOULD LOVE TO. screenshots are irrelevant, first hand proof is much better, I thank you for pointing out the things you did, and for bothering to make a decent post.

But let me correct you where you're wrong this isn't just a friend database for terran, its a database for non meta builds, and anyone who has used them and used them correctly without breaking them, knows their true power, the only ones who dislike them, are people incapable of actually playing them. There hasen't been one person in me or terrans history, who after actually learning how to use the builds, and actually using it came back and said it was broken, it just doesn't happen.

Relyk, I stated many times how I would put up, I want to show you first hand instead of offering screenshots, I made you a very, very respectful offer to come join us for a few matches somewhere sometime, and to try them. I show you respect now, because you at least are trying to show respect, that's how it works here. Do you know what terran and I love the most about what we do? its when someone who is hating on others, and basically doing what every other troll here has done, insult builds, make false assumptions, lie, etc etc, its when they stop that, learn from their mistakes, admit them, and then learn to kick ass like good players. That is why we do what we do, to improve the community. I thank you for your post, but you need to put it into a more appropriate section, it this can be seen as thread hijacking, this thread is about guildwars guru, and the facts at hand are very simple.


I dont think posting more screenshots of accomplishments is a good idea relyk, from how you responded their are one of two ways that ends, either you move the goal posts, or accept the screenshots for proof, and as much as I would love to give you the benefit of the doubt, given everything thats been said, I just can't give you the benefit of the doubt, you will have to come see first hand if the informational evidence isn't enough.


You listed some things about terran, I can say for a fact he's not 45, I have never known him to lie, and all I will say is that from everything I've found out, he's under 35, the reasons for that name and birth-date for the architecht isn't something I quite understand my self, but I don't nitpick it, there is usually a good reason behind those things. Terran is a very intelligent person, hes not new to fansites of any kind at all, he is a gamer with 30 years experience under his belt, I doubt much is very new to him, let alone something as simple as a fansite. The facts at hand are simple, people have just came here and tried to complicate them, and failed.


Terran posted 127 builds, in a place for build discussion, it was deleted over and over for the reasons of "it's not good enough, make it better" since then, many trolls from guru, including you have tried to lie and avoid the truth, its not the easiest thing in the world to admit what your own community is doing, its like the catholic church denying they are a bunch of child molesters, they have done demonstration things, got caught in it, and still say it's not their problem, it's because of gay people. They deflect and avoid the truth at all costs. Relyk, we would appreciate nothing more than if you did actually see what was going on here, and unlike your friends, if you mess up here, it only haunts you as long as you keep it up, should you choose to stop, and want to participate productively as far as we are concerned, its old news, we just don't hold that kind of thing against people. Look man, I might be wasting these words, but if you are starting to realise whats going on here, then you will be defended, just like we do for everyone else, if not, you can fall in the same trap silven is running into again, and again.


If you want to post about guildwars guru here, and that kind of thing, please do so if you keep posting out of the proper place, im afraid it will be have to be seen as spam, not to say your entirely off topic, but in the past you and/or your friends from guru have tried to hijack this thread and failed, and that kind of thing has to be dealt with. I dont think terran minds you mention a point or two, that's not necessarily pertinent to the conversation, There are specific places for things, please respect that. if you want to post about terran, start a thread about him. I thank you for bothering to type out that post in a respectful fashion; I hope you decide to stop playing games and actually come play with us a bit, you would be surprised what you will learn.

relyk wrote:

He's a ~45 year old man whose played Guildwars from around the start of the game.

Wrong, I'm in my 30's. And yes, I've played since the start.

relyk wrote:

His age pertains to WW1, which significance is either one of his parents or grandparents served in the war and he's honoring them or others who did.

My age has no relevance to WWI. I do have a family history that involves WWI amongst many other topics of importance. I honor all who have sacrificed, great and small, reemmbered and forgotten, selflessly for the good of others.

relyk wrote:

He's logged >11000 hours of play time, which is (almost) 1.5 years. I'm assuming around a 1000 of those hours are afk, which he didn't c/d.

Oh, change of story now. You said before that I had 6,000 hours played. Keep on guessing, maybe by Guild Wars 2 I'll have reached a year and a half. Current /age is 11,825. Does that make me a 'guru'?

relyk wrote:

He creates and stores every single build he creates.

Far from it. I only store the best of what I've used since I made the site. If I was to add all my builds, there would be 1,000's. I prefer quality over quantity, even though I have both.

relyk wrote:

He enjoys creating and using his own builds for areas and playing with other people more than discussing and strategizing what the optimal builds are.

Wrath and myself have repeatedly attempted to discuss skills and builds with you. You refused at every turn, preferring instead to talk crap. Come back when you actually know something about strategy and optimization, mister wanding Assassin.

relyk wrote:

He's unfamiliar with community sites and only recently tried contributing to them, otherwise it seems he's lurked around pvx@wikia, guildguru, gwwiki, and other sites through the guildwars.com fansite list.

Just because I don't post on 'community sites' doesn't mean I'm not intricately familiar with them. I don't post on them as a result of what I know.

relyk wrote:

He screenshots as often as anyone else, as shown with the post about silven; I'm pretty sure he has pics of various accomplishments over the years.

Look at the number of the sceenshot. 20-25, not 200-250. I decided to take that AB screenshot at the end of my run, because of how much bs you guys have been spouting. If you look at the screenshots of the chat log, notice that I didn't take screenshots until he said, 'want me to upload it to your forum? that would be nice.'

relyk wrote:

He gets baited quite easily by any post and responds on a line-by-line basis, picking out anything he feels is wrong.

So says the fisherman caught by his own hook. To expand on what someone else told me today, you're a fly playing with a Venus Fly Trap.

relyk wrote:

He creates elaborate responses with these retorts and puts various youtube videos to accompany them. An extraordinary effort compared to the simple text blocks everyone else has been posting.

Elaborate responses? Do you really think I'm struggling here? It may be extraordinary to you, but it's very ordinary to me. You're doing all the work for me and you don't even realise it.

relyk wrote:

He created this site for the purposing of showcasing his builds in response to the fact guildguru refused to display his builds and went as far as to ban him. He ran this under the idea guildguru corrupts effective builds and creating a site of his own would do the exact opposite.

I created this site originally to store my builds in a new database design that works much better than the in-game template system. I then decided to apply some of my artistic talents to this website and messed with the forum code to see what the forum software was capable of, and the rest went from there, I decided to revive guildwarsbuilds. If it's a showcase of anything, it's a showcase of flash artistry and the interactive potential it has in a forum template/database. Plain text was a thing of the 80's. Simple banners were a thing of the 90's. Basic animations were a thing of the y2k's.

relyk wrote:

He makes no effort to be nice in spite of people calling him an autist, instead responding in kind. Of course, he has no reason to for such people and that's a perfectly valid excuse.

I don't always play nice, but I play real, I play hard and I play fair. There's a time for being nice, and this is not one of those times. You have no valid excuse for bs'ing and calling people 'autists'. Where did you get that catch phrase I wonder? Perhaps I'll look a little deeper. Perhaps I already have. If you want to talk about being nice, then start bowing at the start and/or end of a PvP match. I'm the only one who does it on a regular basis, as a mark of respect for the time and competition offered by opponents.

relyk wrote:

I know you and terran are in the same guild and most of the users aside from the "trolls" are friends of yours, so this is pretty much a forum for terran's friend base.

Most of the accounts here were made by people I've come across who were impressed enough to sign up. I didn't make this website to play socialite games. I made it to store my builds and raise the bar. And if that means Super Mario stomping on a few goomba trolls along the way, so be it.

relyk wrote:

You both were/are active in playing with various pugs over the years and built up a friend network.

Most friends have long left the game, or only play on a rare occasion. But we do both pug a lot. I don't rely on friend networks to back me up. I speak my mind and do my own thing, which earns respect where it counts. Sometimes people agree and come along for the ride.

relyk wrote:

Your both in the same small compact guild and move around in alliances as old guilds and alliances die while the fiends remain the same.

Small Guild yes, and purposely so. I still keep in touch with old Guilds, but don't do the 'Guild thing' anymore because I can't guarantee login times these days. I was going to build a Guild/Alliance over the newyear, that revolved around helping new players, and using unique PvP builds like doing PvE Monster themes that expanded upon their build concepts (Charr, Grawl etc, similar to my themed teams). A lot of people were interested, but I decided to do this website instead. I've been in 3 main guilds, TTA, OS, and XoO, along with a couple of shorter term Guilds, just helping people out in most cases. Legion of One is a sentimental Guild I've had for a long time. I use it as a safe haven away from the common stupidity that goes on with Guilds these days.

Same fiends indeed. There are a lot of Guild hoppers and brown tongues that jump around causing strife and degeneration whereever they go. That's why I prefer to play with a mix of players I've met, inside and outside Guilds I've been in, and like to pug a lot to meet new people. There's such an infestation of trolling/griefing and immature crap that comes with most Guilds in MMORPG's as they age, that doing the 'Guild thing' doesn't interest me. The Guild Wars community lacks the caliber of competiton and co-operation that I'm accustomed to. Most good players left the game for the same reason. It's like playing chess with a bunch of toddlers. The game may have its flaws, but the community itself is the biggest problem.

relyk wrote:

He's going to respond to each and every one of these lines with a snazzy comment correcting each line.

You're catching on! Now go make a thread about me if you want to continue, or join Silven's anti-Terran troll poll..

The hilarious part is you guys hijacked your own thread. And I really didn't expect him to respond to every line. Have fun running this shit pile of a site and I hope you find more autists willing to jump on the bandwagon. And no, when people call you an autist on the internet, they don't mean it literally. They just mean you're really, really, fucking stupid. kthxbai.

relyk wrote:

The hilarious part is you guys hijacked your own thread

The hillarious part is that I prepared for and expected this from the very start. When you click the thread, it takes you to the top of the first page containing all the relevent and updated info, instead of taking you to the last post. But dream on, all you did was admit your intentions were covert and malicious, proving the subversive nature of guru and PVX, your ties to them, and their ties to each other, which is what I planned for in this thread all along. You're just too foolish to realise. I knew very well that guru would likely respond to real discussion in a negative way, but I gave them the chance for open discussion none-the-less, by sharing a collection of builds with them in the section designed for it. I open doors for people, and give them chances to redeem themselves. Even those like you who don't deserve it.

I quote myself, 'I am the bane of trolls. If you don't know this now, you will learn soon. You can't fake shit while I'm around. Try it, and watch what happens'. I warned you before you even posted.

relyk wrote:

I really didn't expect him to respond to every line

Yes you did. I planted that expectation in you by responding in detail every time. I also added imagery and videos to express my points through metaphor and humor, to entertain you and help lighten the load of seriousness to the topic, which you found too irresistable not to respond to. The manner of my responses are deliberately predictable, while the metaphors reinforce my points and embarrass you.

relyk wrote:

Have fun running this shit pile of a site and I hope you find more autists willing to jump on the bandwagon

I have had fun with this site and will continue to do so. I'm not interested in people jumping on bandwagons, I'm interested in teaching people how to drive their own wagons. Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he will fish out the ocean. Teach a man how to think, he will teach himself how to fish and take care of the ocean.

relyk wrote:

when people call you an autist on the internet, they don't mean it literally

Village idiot - The village idiot in strict terms is a person locally known for ignorance or stupidity, but is also a common term for a stereotypically silly or nonsensical person.

Autist - Autism is a spectrum of psychological conditions characterized by widespread abnormalities of social interactions and communication, as well as restricted interests and repetitive behaviour.

Autists have an excuse. Village idiots don't. And that's why village idiot is an accepted term for humor, while autist is not. Village idiots call people autistic as a reflection of their own learned stupidity, not that which is inherent. Calling people autistic on the internet is as pathetic as applying for the special olympcs so that you can 'pwn' cripples, and still get your butt kicked anyway. The value of a man is in how much potential he uses, not how much potential he has. You're capable of so much more, but you don't have the self respect to even try. And that's why you will always be out of your league.

Wow.

Gaming network in owning multiple gaming sites shocker.

Where would the internet be without you!

flashmenussuck wrote:

Gaming network in owning multiple gaming sites shocker

A profit based corporate gaming network with links to troll/griefer communities, hacking players game accounts, hosting game hacks, email scams, as well as degrading the game industry in general, under the guise of being hacked themselves. Shocker indeed.

flashmenussuck wrote:

Where would the internet be without you!

Without me, you wouldn't be here now, reading this, and contemplating. Where would the internet be without you?



What a silly name you have. Text menus suck, it's time to grow out of the 80's and get a new computer.

Whew, what a flame fest, you guys really need to calm down. Especially an admin flaming is kind of odd, shouldn't you respond to flaming and people calling you autistic with moderator actuion instead of flaming yourself :O Kind of ironic that you do so even though your thread is about bad moderation

Admittedly the mods dealt with your problematic post poorly, but you have to admit the post itself was bad. Posting 128 builds really IS too broad, it doesn't matter if people don't have to discuss all of them. To elaborate: imagine if you made a post that said "Here's a list of all the english words, discuss which is the most " It's just no good.

Anyways, there's a pretty good reason guildwarsguru is an elite site despite it having terrible mods. Everyone's there! People came because it had the auction system, then more people came because the site was active. It's a terrible site, but if you want to discuss guild wars, there's no other site really. Their terrible mods have such reknown that... well literally having a site that is known for something like moderation really is impressive. I'm guessing it's due to the lazy head mod, since he simply doesn't respond to complaints about mods. In any case, it's something you just have to put up with, like a great party that has a giant pile of dog crap way in a corner nobody goes close to.

But if you REALLY want an example of why there moderation is so bad, take a look at the post that was deleted described here:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Auron/GuildWarsSucksSoMuch/ArenaNet%27s_Community_Relations_failures

A community relations employee of Arenanet has a tissy fit, someone argues with him in a much more mature way without any flame whatsoever, AND THEY DELETE HIS POST. Really. It happened. They deleted probably the one post in the entire thread that was actually mature, JUST because it made the employee look bad in comparison. There was flame and trolling in the thread but THAT was the post they deleted.

Greep, I think you for your additions and thoughts, but terran really isn't the one flamming here, whatever accusations he's thrown have been long past overdue, other than that there are just heaps of trolls who decided to jump into the pit of spikes and just whine whine whine when they get caught. If you read through this entire thread, you might actually gain an understanding.

But Greep, the 128 builds thing wasn't inappropriate at all, the original post just has GWBB code w/ equipment templates and names, all up for discussion, in a place designed for discussion, there is no reason there should have been any problem. It was just deleted because some moderator got embarrassed that someone contributed so much, as said in the early sections of this thread. There is no reason or excuse or anything that resembles either the former or the latter. It was simply inexcusable. All that did when it was brought to light of day a bunch of trolls from GWG and/or PVX wiki decided to come spew nonsense and say stupid things while deny anything that remotely looks like proof. When exposed, they tweaked and just reverted to troll nonsense. This site goes beyond trolls from gwg or pvx, there are also worse trolls in game that have been dealt with here before as well. If you look around you will understand what's going on. I suggest you do so.

Taking moderator action is the pussy thing to do, let them spew there nonsense and let it be put up for the world to see, terran didn't flame, but you have to call shit shit sometimes and people need to understand that. Not dealing with trolls only makes the situation far worse. Please try and actually look around a bit before you judge what was going on. Thanks for the post.

Those builds on guru are really old and theorycrafted, hence them using only like professions. Nobody pays attention to them.

Your builds, however, are garbage. The ones that are anything near runnable are right of PvX.

[Wounding Strike;OgajoopMLOAYo7/VcLAGv0XbBA]
Garbage. You aren't even taking advantage of most of the OP derv skills like aura of thorns and fleeting stability.

[Avatar of Grenth;OgikIipj6yuzzNAjgxuCgNW3H+C]
No IAS, nightmare Weapon (LOLOLOLOL), Garbage

[Balls of Steel;Ogakkkps6wmz5OA7KGwCACM21UA]
No IAS. Aftershock and Kinetic Armor made me laugh so hard. You're the kind of guy that would run hamstorm. Garbage.

[Unyielding Wammo;OQMSEZJT7gKF8V/EMERFXFie]
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. If you want UA that bad, put it on a monk. It is completely and totally useless on a warrior. Maybe if you weren't so bad, you wouldn't need to be rezzed every five seconds in PvE.

[Discord;OAhkUwG4hGKUMzNYVlCYdAGnP4XA]
If you want armor ignoring damage, go mesmer. this build has terrible damage, and you have discord and necrosis retard. you only need necrosis. Garbage.

[Unyielding Aura;OwAT043AZ6upkIj4ioLSiIHkhAA]
Signets arent affected by UA, and you have healing seed. Even with UA, orison is not a "power heal." Garbage.

[All your ele builds]
Fire does shit damage in HM. If you werent an idiot, you would know that. AP+Air or Earth is better, but I think that concentrating on more than one target is too hard for you.

[Flourish Interrupter;OQASEXKTSgSiGGFFCAkPdaFG]
What is this. At this point, im fairly certain you are trolling. You call PvX bad, but have builds like this on your site. Complete and utter garbage, just like you.


Pretty much every build on this site is terrible, but im too lazy to go through them all.



TLDR; you suck at guild wars. stop trying

greep wrote:

Whew, what a flame fest, you guys really need to calm down

I'm fine. Just doing a little pest control with my flame thrower. If you don't burn the bugs and keep them where they belong, they start thinking they run the place.

greep wrote:

Especially an admin flaming is kind of odd, shouldn't you respond to flaming and people calling you autistic with moderator actuion instead of flaming yourself :O Kind of ironic that you do so even though your thread is about bad moderation

Take a look around the internet, how is that strategy working for you? it doesn't. There's a common philosophy when dealing with trolls, 'Don't feed the trolls'. But has it ever really worked? It's just a copout excuse for those who are too lazy and/or incompetent to do their job, hiding behind political correctness. I have a different philosophy. It involves stepping up and setting an example, instead of making one. And it works. Online games have become overrun by trolls across the board, while the same excuses are offered every time, pretending the same old simple methods and philosophies actually work. The quality of a moderator is not in the trigger happy flaunting of exclusive powers to bully, ban or censor users. Nor is it about taking a neutral side to topics. It's about cutting through the crap and keeping it real. Moderator 'action' only achieves the opposite effect.

The truth is, the 'Don't feed the trolls' philosophy is something pushed by trolls themselves. There are many kinds of trolls, but most of them don't do what they do for a response. They do what they do for the same reasons people light fires and vandalise public property. They do it because they can, because there are no consequences. It makes them feel important, no differently than someone who goes through the garbage bin of a celebrity, because they're broken people. Getting a certain reaction is only a bonus for them. Trolls like to pretend they get 'lulz' off all reactions, but they don't. They hide behind humor to mask their discomfort and shame. They laugh on the outside, when they cry on the inside. One of the reasons I use humor myself when dealing with them is to offer a common ground, something they can relate to and appreciate. The truth is, you feed trolls by ignoring them and letting them do what they do, freely, anonymously and without consequence. That is what they thrive on, not responses. Banning them does nothing more than give them ammunition, and forces them to just make a new account, use sock puppets and proxies, or worse.

greep wrote:

you have to admit the post itself was bad. Posting 128 builds really IS too broad

I disagree there. The problem is that the common standard has become dragged down so low that it's considered normal to only deal with the equivalent of preschool crayon art. When faced with a picasso, it goes right over their heads, and they get offended. They prefer to sit in a little box and play god, expecting others to come down and join them in their quagmire, instead of rising out of the mud to meet them halfway.

greep wrote:

imagine if you made a post that said "Here's a list of all the english words, discuss which is the most " It's just no good

If the topic was the discussion of the English language, providing a dictionary is the first logical step. Providing a basic 128 word primer to a lost community with a small handful of broken words, is far from inappropriate. Providing a list of all the English words would be comparable to posting 12,201,800 builds. That would be inappropriate.

greep wrote:

there's a pretty good reason guildwarsguru is an elite site despite it having terrible mods. Everyone's there! People came because it had the auction system, then more people came because the site was active

It's listed as an elite site due to brown tongue relations. That pseudo-elite status is the main reason it became popular. Sure, their auction forum added to that. But how many people who have used the auction forum, become regular posters on guru? Don't overestimate how active they are. This thread alone is almost as popular as their whole PvP section. They only have one or two posts a day. Note also that very few forums apply for fansite listings, this being one of them. You can find 37 of them here in forumotion.

greep wrote:

It's a terrible site, but if you want to discuss guild wars, there's no other site really

There's always buildwars. You're free to speak your mind here and be politically incorrect. You're even free to bullshit, at the risk of being humiliated.

greep wrote:

it's something you just have to put up with, like a great party that has a giant pile of dog crap way in a corner nobody goes close to

That's why people clean up and organise before great parties. At great parties, fresh dog poop is solved with a shovel and a careful aim. It's not something you have to put up with, nor should it be.

greep wrote:

But if you REALLY want an example of why there moderation is so bad, take a look at the post that was deleted described here:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:Auron/GuildWarsSucksSoMuch/ArenaNet%27s_Community_Relations_failures

Interesting read. Not surprising to me though, I've been saying similar things for a long time now. The contents of that link just show yet another example of why the MMO industry is in shambles. It's plagued by arrogance, laziness, misguided philosophies, incompetence, a lack of passion and a lot of money... and debt.

I used to drill Gaile with tough questions and points in those little events she did in towns. The contents of your link above (and its trails), are largely in line with everything I've seen over the years as well. I've also spoken to associates of Arenanet here and there. One of them once told me, 'Words of wisdom from the CEO, don't state a problem unless you have a solution'. I did have solutions mind you, many of them. This shows just how misguided they are, by misquoting an old term to the effect of, 'When stating a problem, do it constructively and help with a solution. Don't just complain'. Way to reverse it and misquote it as an excuse to bury their heads in the sand.

greep wrote:

A community relations employee of Arenanet has a tissy fit, someone argues with him in a much more mature way without any flame whatsoever, AND THEY DELETE HIS POST. Really. It happened. They deleted probably the one post in the entire thread that was actually mature, JUST because it made the employee look bad in comparison. There was flame and trolling in the thread but THAT was the post they deleted

I believe you. This opens up a big can of politically incorrect worms that have eaten away the apple of the MMO industry and beyond. You're welcome to make threads about it all in my hall of shame if you like. Noone is going to delete your posts and censor you here. We're sure to agree and disagree on many points.

ammad2006 wrote:

Those builds on guru are really old and theorycrafted, hence them using only like professions. Nobody pays attention to them

Yep. That sums up guru and pvx in general.

ammad2006 wrote:

Your builds, however, are garbage

Yet you can't elaborate on that, and won't make a thread about it in the section designed for it. Your comment here is no better than a vengeful toddler who tries and fails to break his siblings toys because they dobbed.

ammad2006 wrote:

The ones that are anything near runnable are right of PvX

You're in denial. Face reality. PvX is a sad joke. Always has been, always will be. The contents of this thread prove that very clearly.

ammad2006 wrote:

[Wounding Strike;OgajoopMLOAYo7/VcLAGv0XbBA]
Garbage. You aren't even taking advantage of most of the OP derv skills like aura of thorns and fleeting stability

Rubbish. You aren't taking advantage of looking through the list of skills and learning the real OP skills like [wounding strike].

ammad2006 wrote:

[Avatar of Grenth;OgikIipj6yuzzNAjgxuCgNW3H+C]
No IAS, nightmare Weapon (LOLOLOLOL), Garbage

62-124 life steal attacks with 3 Scythe Mastery (for deep wound duration), LOLOLOLOL indeed.

ammad2006 wrote:

[Balls of Steel;Ogakkkps6wmz5OA7KGwCACM21UA]
No IAS. Aftershock and Kinetic Armor made me laugh so hard. You're the kind of guy that would run hamstorm. Garbage

Don't need an IAS. [aftershock] is for a deadly spike, try it. [kinetic armor] gives you a total of 136 Armor Rating, maintained easily by alternating the two Flash Enchantments 5 seconds apart for your attack combo. And yes, I am the kind of guy that would run hamstorm and win, while you [frenzy]cide in my [fire storm].

ammad2006 wrote:

[Unyielding Wammo;OQMSEZJT7gKF8V/EMERFXFie]
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. If you want UA that bad, put it on a monk. It is completely and totally useless on a warrior. Maybe if you weren't so bad, you wouldn't need to be rezzed every five seconds in PvE

[unyielding aura] + [dismember] vs [eviscerate] + [resurrection signet]. Let me guess, you don't even need a res, because you never die, right? I bet you can solo the whole game without a team.

ammad2006 wrote:

[Discord;OAhkUwG4hGKUMzNYVlCYdAGnP4XA]
If you want armor ignoring damage, go mesmer. this build has terrible damage, and you have discord and necrosis retard. you only need necrosis. Garbage

I have a PvE Mesmer, I also have a PvE Necromancer. Both have a role to play. The point making a Necromancer build is to make a viable build for a Necromancer, not to say, 'Play mesmer instead'. [discord] is wellknown for its effective single target damage in Hard Mode, as is [Necrosis]. By having both, you're constantly pumping out armor ignoring damage by alternating them back and forth while the other recharges, effectively doing twice the damage. If you changed your secondary profession to Mesmer for [Arcane Echo], it doesn't work very well for [discord] due to the casting time and queued skill combinations reqiured to use [discord] correctly.

ammad2006 wrote:

[Unyielding Aura;OwAT043AZ6upkIj4ioLSiIHkhAA]
Signets arent affected by UA, and you have healing seed. Even with UA, orison is not a "power heal." Garbage

I never said Signets were affected by [unyielding aura]. And yes, I have [healing seed]. Try alternating [healing seed] and [seed of life] on two monks, and see how well it works. [Unyielding aura] makes [orison of healing] viable as a single target heal. I quote from the PvE Monk Section, which you obviously didn't bother to read - For any single target heals that need an emergency heal while your other spells are in recharge, use [orison of healing]. Normally, [orison of healing] is a bad skill due to the power creep of new skills that are better. But with [unyielding aura], [orison of healing] becomes a critical skill that lets you spam heal any target whenever you need to, as opposed to [dwaynas kiss] that you cannot target yourself with, and [patient spirit] that has a time delay that makes it useless as an emergency heal.

ammad2006 wrote:

[All your ele builds]
Fire does shit damage in HM. If you werent an idiot, you would know that. AP+Air or Earth is better, but I think that concentrating on more than one target is too hard for you

I rarely use Elementalists in HM. If you weren't an idiot, you would know that. Armor ignoring damage trumps everything else in HM. Even though all elemental attributes cause damage, Fire is the damage focussed element, and allows you to cause burning alongside the damage. Air focus is speed and single target spiking. Earth focus is defensive. Water focus is slowdown and snare. Fire is the damage attribute. The damage you do through fire always trumps other elemental attributes, even in HM, and especially in AOE, at the cost of more energy, no defence and less utility. The Armor Penetration you get from Air Magic only means you do more rounded damage to all targets. With the changes to skills like [invoke lightning], Air Magic is viable, but still doesn't do the same damage that Fire can do.

Something you probably don't know about Elementalists: The 4 elements actually come from pagan sorcery, and find their way into modern culture in more ways than you realise. Outside their simplified representation in video games, all are both opposed and alligned to each other. The word 'God' comes from Tetragrammaton in Greek. Tetra means four. Grammaton is an untranslatable/mistranslated word that closely resembles graviton. The pagan elements represent the 4 components of physics that interact with each other, both for and against, opposed and alligned. The manipulation of these 4 laws is used in alchemy, in order to rearrange the atoms in an object and 'turn an egg into gold'. The Philosophers Stone that you might know by name from Harry Potter is a mythological alchemical material used to supposedly achieve this.

ammad2006 wrote:

[Flourish Interrupter;OQASEXKTSgSiGGFFCAkPdaFG]
What is this. At this point, im fairly certain you are trolling. You call PvX bad, but have builds like this on your site. Complete and utter garbage, just like you

That build has been nerfed, but still works in very unique team builds (there is a [conjure flame] variant too). You have the choice to do damage or interrupts. It's a build that teaches a player to learn how to interrupt. If you just spam the interrupts mindlessly, you do no damage. It works like a knife with a second blade on its handle. If you misuse it, you lose your hand. A perfect learning tool for trigger happiness. On a hero, it works very well at times where heavy interrupt helps. Try it, and watch how many skills they catch.

ammad2006 wrote:

Pretty much every build on this site is terrible, but im too lazy to go through them all.

Empty claims, too lazy to back them up. Your comment is a self defeating dance of verbal diarrhea that clearly shows you suffer from both Torsonic Polarity Syndrome and Pooperious Valverium Dysfunction.

[build prof][/build]

ammad2006 wrote:

TLDR; you suck at guild wars. stop trying

NIIOMTPLABOPARMBETZHELBETRABSBOMONIMONKONOTDTEKHSTROMONT; You suck at trolling. Stop trying.

The fact is, your builds are still sub par, no matter how hard you try to push them. I would like to see you beat a competent team with meta builds, with the builds you claim are superior off this site. In fact, I saw you in-game a few days ago in AB. I recall you being a Melandru's Resilience boon prot monk getting owned by hammer warriors, and all the while trying to convince people that your build were better that the general WoH with balanced. You then proceeded to run a crappy warrior build with fire magic skills, and I refuse to believe you actually though that was effective when people just kited your aoe, and actual balanced teams just destroyed you. At this point, I think you are either an elaborate troll (if you are, GJ, you got me) or you are just trying too hard to be unique to validate a false sense of superiority.

(BTW, your build was off PvX, but I'm pretty sure you know that http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Archive:Mo/R_Resilient_Boon_Monk.)



About your WS derv. I did a test at the master of damage with that build and that equipment, and it did about 70 DPS over one minute. That's pretty good, but then I did the same test with the meta AoB derv, and it did 66 DPS, slightly lower. OgCjkurI7SaXXXqXihBYPXuXCAA

However, all your WS derv has to offer is damage. It can only deep wound twice every 15 seconds so DW cant really be spread, and it has no AoE pressure because most good players won't ball for sythe attacks.

Now lets look at the Balthazar build. AoE cracked armor. AoE Cripple and Bleeding. A speed buff/anti kd rolled in one (usefull for when target is kiting, your running flags, or your being linebacked.) A maintainable IAS that is available right from the start of a fight, unlike HoF. Spammy Deep Wound. Armor equivalent to that of a warrior under AoB + mysticism. 25% extra adrenaline. Near constant AoE burning.

Thats what I mean when I said you weren't taking advantage of OP dervish skills. It doesn't take a genius to realize that your build is far inferior to the meta.

ammad2006 wrote:

The fact is, your builds are still sub par, no matter how hard you try to push them

The fact is, they aren't, no matter how hard you try to bash them.

ammad2006 wrote:

I would like to see you beat a competent team with meta builds, with the builds you claim are superior off this site

What you consider competent is what I consider incompetent. What I consider competent is of a much higher standard that goes right over your head. My builds have beaten your 'meta' crap on a regular basis, and I do it with PUG's at that. You just deny it every time and make a big scene on the rare occasion you beat me.

ammad2006 wrote:

In fact, I saw you in-game a few days ago in AB. I recall you being a Melandru's Resilience boon prot monk getting owned by hammer warriors, and all the while trying to convince people that your build were better that the general WoH with balanced. You then proceeded to run a crappy warrior build with fire magic skills

I recall. I died twice in that match, because I was healing another Monk's suicidal team as well as my own, while he just stood there doing nothing. Instead of putting [guardian] on myself, I raced to save his team in time, hoping he would watch my back. He didn't, and the knock down spam team went straight for me while I was open. This isn't something to be proud of. I lost two matches through no fault of my own, due to a bad PUG team and bad allies. After those two matches, I won many consecutive wins against you on both sides, for several hours. But of course you'll deny that ever happened. I think I remember which one you were, you were the idiot trolling all chat and speaking childish nonsense against me, weren't you? Your big potty mouth got silenced after you were overwhelmingly beaten over and over.

ammad2006 wrote:

I refuse to believe you actually though that was effective when people just kited your aoe, and actual balanced teams just destroyed you

You did not destroy me, I destroyed you, repeatedly. You theorycraft that you can kite my carefully placed AOE, but the truth is that it does its job 90% of the time. Skills like [fire storm] and [bed of coals] combined with [mark of rodgort] don't need to trigger all 10 times to serve their use. Learn how they work.

ammad2006 wrote:

At this point, I think you are either an elaborate troll (if you are, GJ, you got me) or you are just trying too hard to be unique to validate a false sense of superiority

At this point, I know you're a not-so-elaborate troll, trying hard at oneupmanship to validate a false sense of superiority. Notice that I don't make a big scene when I defeat another player in AB. I don't jump on peoples corpses, I don't rank them while they're dead, and I especially don't trash talk a player I defeat. If they did something horribly wrong, I explain what was wrong and provide alternatives. For example, a Ranger during that run was using [healing breeze], I referred him to consider [troll unguent]. At the end of a match, I /bow and move on, instead of putting down my opponents with toddler trash talk like you do.

ammad2006 wrote:

(BTW, your build was off PvX, but I'm pretty sure you know that http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Archive:Mo/R_Resilient_Boon_Monk.)

I made this build at the start of Guild Wars, and it's survived all this time. The reason it isn't nerfed (despite being made slightly weaker) is because it's too difficult to become popular. Like I said, you've been trying to copy it for years, and you still can't get it right. The build you're referring to is this...

[build prof=Mo/R div="14" prot="10" wild="9" name="Resilient Boon Monk"][melandrus resilience][reversal of fortune][shield of absorption][guardian][draw conditions][deny hexes][remove hex][divine boon][/build]
[build prof=Mo/R div="14" prot="10" wild="9" name="Resilient Boon Monk"][melandrus resilience][reversal of fortune][shield of absorption][guardian][draw conditions][deny hexes][shielding hands][divine boon][/build]
[build prof=Mo/R div="14" prot="10" wild="9" name="Resilient Boon Monk"][melandrus resilience][reversal of fortune][shield of absorption][guardian][draw conditions][deny hexes][protective spirit][divine boon][/build]

The build you're trying to copy is this...

[build prof=Mo/R div="16" prot="10" wild="9" name="Resilient Boon Prot"][draw conditions][guardian][reversal of fortune][storm chaser][melandrus resilience][signet of devotion][divine spirit][divine boon][/build]

There's so much wrong with that PVX version and its many other historical variants, that it would take too long to discuss here. Refer to the build description here first, and learn the game mechanics that make it work. To give an example of what's wrong, a Boon Prot requires 16 Divine Favor and [signet of devotion] by default. Just look at the positioning of the skills on the skillbar. You need your critical timing skills [draw conditions][guardian][reversal of fortune] on the left side of the skillbar, so you can use your 3 middle fingers to antispike with. Utility and maintenence skills belong on the right side of your skillbar, where you can mouse click them in combination while you heal. The positioning of skills on a skillbar tell a lot about a persons understanding of a build.

ammad2006 wrote:

About your WS derv. I did a test at the master of damage with that build and that equipment, and it did about 70 DPS over one minute. That's pretty good, but then I did the same test with the meta AoB derv, and it did 66 DPS, slightly lower. OgCjkurI7SaXXXqXihBYPXuXCAA

I did a quick test myself, using a single fully charged up combo. This is what I came up with...





But none of this means much. It's easy to take the data you get at Nameless Isle, and interpret it to mean whatever you want it to mean. This is what critical thinking is all about. I could make a 1 vs 1 build to take down the Master of Healing, or a pure dps build with [frenzy], and interpret the data to mean that it's a good build. But it doesn't work that way. In actual combat, things work very differently and there are many other factors involved. It's not so linear. This is where casual theorycrafters fail in their misguided justification of what constitutes a good and bad build. You're only seeing part of the picture, the part you want to see, while turning a blind eye to the rest. The tricky part is that if you don't constantly reevaluate things, you don't realise you're doing it.

ammad2006 wrote:

However, all your WS derv has to offer is damage

It also has a knock down, instant access deep wound, bleed, AOE burning, a run buff, and needs both anti-spellcasting and anti-melee to shut it down.

ammad2006 wrote:

It can only deep wound twice every 15 seconds so DW cant really be spread

If you precast your enchantments, you can get a deep wound out of [wounding strike] several times on recharge, which is more than enough. In AB (where this build is designed for) you also have Battlecry, which speeds this up even further. More than enough. It also doesn't rely on adrenalin, meaning it can deep wound from the very beginning, and isn't as easily shut down by blind and blocking.

ammad2006 wrote:

it has no AoE pressure because most good players won't ball for sythe attacks

Take another look at the build and take a reality check. The Dervish Hamstorm Reborn build is heavily focussed on AOE outside of Scythe attacks, so much that it can kill mobs while blind. Your Balthazar build has almost no AOE outside of Scythe attacks. It's just a fast recharge single target spammer build that requires no skill to run. It's on par with a Touch Ranger. That's why Balthazar builds are so popular, any idiot can run it. It's known as Crapazar.

ammad2006 wrote:

Now lets look at the Balthazar build. AoE cracked armor

Cracked Armor is a weak condition that was added later in the game, during a change in the game mechanics in order to compensate for armor reducing Hexes like [weaken armor]. The damage it adds is negligible. It cannot reduce armor below 60, nullifying it versus the 5/10 profesiions you want to kill most.

ammad2006 wrote:

AoE Cripple and Bleeding

The Dervish Hamstorm Reborn build also has bleeding, as well as burning for a total of -10 Health degeneration, all in a single [wounding strike]. It also has a knockdown instead of cripple. Cripple is overused to compensate for a lack of skill. Instead of changing target, most melee will chase a single target all day, spamming cripple on it. A good Dervish might sacrifice their cripple for more damage, and compensate for it by choosing better targets and changing their target faster. Cripple is something you bring when you can spare, it's not something you should sacrifice damage over.

ammad2006 wrote:

A speed buff/anti kd rolled in one (usefull for when target is kiting, your running flags, or your being linebacked.)

[fleeting stability] is a very short duration run buff that ends if you're hit by knockdown. It's not as good as you think it is. It limits your attribute spread to a heavy investment into Earth Prayers, which focusses on defence. I prefer [whirling charge], which requires more skill to use with a higher bonus for using it correctly, and offers a faster run buff. [whirling charge] is from Wind Prayers, which has more offence and less defence. [fleeting stability] slows down the game, while [whirling charge] speeds up the game. And that's what it's all about. Bad players seek to passively slow the game down because they struggle to keep up, while good player seek to actively speed the game up to focus more on player skill.

ammad2006 wrote:

A maintainable IAS that is available right from the start of a fight, unlike HoF

And yet, Dervish Hamstorm Reborn comes out with more dps on both our tests, without even using an attack speed buff.

ammad2006 wrote:

Spammy Deep Wound

[wounding strike] is more spammable than [wearying strike]. On your Crapazar, you can mindlessly spam [wearying strike] on recharge without a penalty, while spamming [wounding strike] mindlessly on Dervish Hamstorm Reborn comes at a price.

ammad2006 wrote:

Armor equivalent to that of a warrior under AoB + mysticism

Only +8 armor difference while enchanted. Dervish Hamstorm Reborn is enchanted more often than Crapazar.

ammad2006 wrote:

25% extra adrenaline

Dervish Hamstorm Reborn doesn't even need adrenalin. You're only feeding 2 adrenalin skills with no +damage whatsoever.

ammad2006 wrote:

Near constant AoE burning

Crapazar = near constant AOE burning passively. Dervish Hamstorm = constant AOE burning actively.

I'm not saying that your Crapazar build is bad, but it is very easy to use and revolves around chasing one target all day with mindless spam rather than strategy, tactics and skill. You could use a simple macro 'c,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8', and use the build almost as well. It reminds me of a Touch Ranger. Try doing such a simple sequence over and over with Dervish Hamstorm Reborn, and it just won't work.

ammad2006 wrote:

Thats what I mean when I said you weren't taking advantage of OP dervish skills. It doesn't take a genius to realize that your build is far inferior to the meta

From reviewing your posts, you clearly lack the knowledge, experience and intellectual drive to understand what is and isn't overpowered.

Dervish Hamstorm Reborn is a remake of Dervish Hamstorm post nerf. It's not as powerful as the original, but still works very well. The original resulted in regular instant kills, a build far ahead of any Dervish meta before or since.

[build prof=D/E scythe="12" myst="3" fire="12" name="Dervish Hamstorm"][wounding strike][zealous sweep][lyssas assault][meteor][fire storm][mark of rodgort][bed of coals][conjure flame][/build]
[build prof=D/E scythe="12" myst="3" fire="12" name="Dervish Hamstorm Reborn"][wounding strike][zealous renewal][eremites zeal][meteor][bed of coals][fire storm][flame djinns haste][mark of rodgort][/build]
[build prof=D scythe="11" myst="11" earthprayers="8" name="Crapazar"][staggering force][aura of thorns][fleeting stability][pious fury][wearying strike][twin moon sweep][avatar of balthazar][resurrection signet][/build][build prof][/build]

I'm not gonna defend the mods, like I said they should've handled it better and they've done much worse, but those builds really are bad As an r6 gladiator monk who frequently got 25s (never synced, kinda ruins the fun of RA), I can attest that mel monks were just a neat idea and nothing more. As soon as you run into a group that decides attacking a monk is stupid, like every other group in RA, you're way worse off than a WoH who can actually deal with the pressure. Furthermore, a WoH can actually deal with a hammer warrior who has knocked him down before guardian, which is bound to happen sometime during the streak. A WoH can also pre-veil the whole team and dis-veil if necessary at no cost. Lastly your particular build is inferior since all the enemy needs to win is something as simple as empathy or backfire, not to mention elite hexes. The hex removal isn't necessarily for you. By saying "16 divine favor" that's all one needs to hear to know it's bad anyways, since superior runes are a really bad idea. It sounds good in 4v4 because the spikes aren't quite so bad, but you learn it's still bad over a very long time.

The derv build is just plain bad, there's not much more to say. It's bad because as said earlier, only an idiot sits in firestorm. If they had even one complete idiot, they would've lost anyways.

I'm not saying unconventional builds are bad. I've frequently predicted metas months in advance (really surprised at how long it took the idiots to figure out fear me sins were massively OP let alone good), and I've had some I don't really get why they never caught on. E.g., the glyph of essence pheonix hammer. Crushing blow + insta phoenix with a pre-glyph is literally 75% of a lifebar instantly gone. I've seen it a few times on some gladiators as well, but it never caught on for some reason.

greep wrote:

As an r6 gladiator monk who frequently got 25s (never synced, kinda ruins the fun of RA), I can attest that mel monks were just a neat idea and nothing more

Gladiator rank was so corrupted that they removed TA and rewrote the title. Getting rank 6 Gladiator in RA isn't something to pride yourself on. RA is entry level PvP by design. You're playing against very bad players, and measuring your build against very bad players is not a good way to validate your build and talent.

I've used my Boon Prot build frequently in all PvP, and I can attest that it works. Like I said, there have been many attempts over the years to make it work. But none of them did because they didn't understand the fundamentals of it. This is the only way to make it work...

[Resilient Boon Prot;OwIT8SIjz4mCcmHf4l0mcEA]

And sometimes, depending on the frequency of builds you face...

[Resilient Boon Prot;OwIT8SIjz4mCcmrc4l0mcEA]

The reason why boon prots went out of fashion was because of their difficulty rating. Players today are unable to prioritise heals and just mindlessly spam their favourite skills on recharge in reaction to Health bars going down. The only real boon prot that became popular was a weak simple version that used [mantra of recall].

greep wrote:

As soon as you run into a group that decides attacking a monk is stupid, like every other group in RA, you're way worse off than a WoH who can actually deal with the pressure

You don't need the opposition to attack you. This is a common misconception derived from a very simplistic understanding of the game and build, only taking into account a fraction of the techniques and mechanics involved, and misusing them. The core of any Boon Prot is [guardian][reversal of fortune][signet of devotion][divine spirit][divine boon], not [draw conditions][melandru's resilience]. Learn to use the core skills first, then learn how to combine it with other skills.

[Word of Healing] isn't as good as you think. Sure, you get a powerful heal out of it sometimes. But it's very prone to daze and interrupt, and if you get [word of healing] diverted, your other heals don't come close to coping. My boon prot can still pump out heals with half a skillbar diverted. [word of healing] builds are simple, and that's why they're popular. I used to RA and TA every day before there was a Gladiator title. I used that Melandrus Boon Prot there more than any other build. It works, if you have the talent to run it properly.

greep wrote:

a WoH can actually deal with a hammer warrior who has knocked him down before guardian, which is bound to happen sometime during the streak

How so? [word of healing] builds are the weakest against hammer knock down spam, because of their slow cast times, reliance on [word of healing] and low block duration. That's why almost all [word of healing] Monks will split their attributes so heavily into knockdown prevention like [balanced stance], anti-melee like [return], miscellaneous Prots, and run very high Health at the cost of bad heal output, just to survive knock down. On my Boon Prot, [reversal of fortune][divine boon] works 90% of the time between knock downs, and easily copes, while [melandru's resilience][draw conditions] are a bonus.

In order to make a [word of healing] build work, you need to split your attributes too thin, out of Healing Prayers and Divine Favor and into Protection Prayers for skills like [guardian][dismiss condition][reversal of fortune], and sometimes a secondary profession for skills like [channeling][balanced stance][return]. When you're using minor runes as well, you're so weak and fragile that the only way you can get a decent heal is to have everyone run extremely high Health and rely on [word of healing] to trigger a double heal every time. This all comes from weak players trying to slow the game down and make it simple, because they can't keep up with the pace of real PvP.

greep wrote:

A WoH can also pre-veil the whole team and dis-veil if necessary at no cost. Lastly your particular build is inferior since all the enemy needs to win is something as simple as empathy or backfire, not to mention elite hexes. The hex removal isn't necessarily for you

For any important hexes that need to last their duration, any half decent player is going to cover them with less important hexes. [holy veil] may work in a theorycrafting environment, but in reality it doesn't work as the people who use it claim. Its power is at the start of a battle, where you can pre-[holy veil] your whole team, then remove them all to remove up to 4 Hexes, with a second Hex removal after that. The chance of that happening is extremely low. After the start of battle, its crap. There's a common misguided theorycrafting concept that you can keep up with Hex builds by precasting veil on a target, leaving it on, then removing it, recasting, and removing it again. But to do that, you're stuck with -1 Energy regeneration for 12 seconds, just to get a low chance double hex removal at the cost of 10 energy. Common sense shows that [remove hex] is best for stray Hexes, while [deny hexes] is best for important hexes. Theorycrafting that you can take care of it all with [holy veil] is nonsense. It may work sometimes in RA against bad players who only attack Monks and don't know any better, but that doesn't make it good. I can kill level 5 Grawl with [flare], doesn't make it good either. The truth is, people lie to themselves and pretend they use [holy veil] for their team, but the real reason is because they fear being [backfire] hex stacked. It's all about their fears and insecurities, not about good Monking and teamwork. In addition to that is an overly defensive theorycrafting tactic of interrupting Hexes that are slowed by Holy Veil. If anyone is stupid enough to spam Hexes at double cast time all day, it isn't going to take much to beat them regardless.

People think that because you have to click the tiny icon on the maintenance bar, that makes it a difficult build that only the 'pro' players can use. It isn't advanced at all, it's nothing more than shooting yourself in the foot just to show you can do it. Time to take a look at your skill options, instead of using 2005 tactics. [deny hexes] has trumped [holy veil] for years now.

[empathy] doesn't affect me as a Monk, it only gives me +1 Energy regeneration and +4 Health regeneration. On a team member, I can still keep them alive so long as they aren't completely stupid. [empathy] does nothing to shut down, so as long as I can keep them alive, they're effectively clean. A well timed [backfire] is going to hurt any monk.

With my Boon Prot, I can [reversal of fortune] myself for the same amount of damage done from [backfire], serving as a safety net. I can also use [draw conditions] on a team member, to heal myself as well to compensate for the damage it does, giving me 19 health per condition. If I was to have [backfire], and used [draw conditions] to remove Bleeding, Deep Wound and Cripple, I would receive +57 health and a total of +16 Health regeneration and +4 Energy regeneration. I can also heal myself through [signet of devotion] to bypass [backfire] as well, or kite through [storm chaser].

Keeping your team alive is more important than keeping them clean. Conditions are a superior shutdown/degeneration to hexes. [mend ailment] is too slow to keep up with conditions, [mend condition] cannot be used on self, [mending touch][contemplation of purity] cannot (or reasonably) be used on others, [peace and harmony][restore condition] cost you an Elite. [dismiss condition] is a better middle ground than them all (hence why it's the removal of choice), but even that cannot cope with conditions. [draw conditions] is the king of condition removal. Some Monks will bring [draw conditions] alongside [mending touch] for self, because [draw conditions] is so powerful.

Most Hexes don't do crap all to shut down, while single Hex removals are too light to validate their use.

greep wrote:

By saying "16 divine favor" that's all one needs to hear to know it's bad anyways, since superior runes are a really bad idea

By saying 'superior runes are a really bad idea', that's all one needs to hear to know you're a blind copycat that never bothered to learn how the game works. The only reason why people started using minor runes was when they were all using countdown spike in voice chat. It didn't matter how bad their build was, because it all revolved around 3 2 1 spike. High attributes weren't needed, good builds weren't needed, gaming skills weren't needed, a computer screen wasn't even needed. People ran obsessively high Health to make it difficult for other spike teams to fit enough damage into their spikes for a kill. From that, a skill synergy was realised where you could use [protective spirit][spirit bond] on a target to set and forget. This is known as passive PvP, which isn't really PvP at all. It's about removing the complex interactions between opponents, and replacing it with a slow simple repetitive sequence that anyone can do. Because the standard of play has always been so bad, even the best Warriors would stay on the same target all day, triggering both [protective spirit][spirit bond] passively, at the relief of bad players that fear real PvP by interacting with their opponents constantly. Both the skill synergy and the reasons for it are long gone, but people still follow the same ideas without realising why. The reason why they hold onto such inferior concepts that have outlived their use, is because it slows the game down for them. And bad players seek to slow the game down, while good players seek to speed it up. And that's why most players never improve, because they drag the game down to their level instead of raising themselves up to meet it.

greep wrote:

It sounds good in 4v4 because the spikes aren't quite so bad, but you learn it's still bad over a very long time

Superior runes for superior builds. Superior builds for superior players.
Minor runes for minor builds. Minor builds for minor players.

If you learn to think for yourself and see things as they are, you will learn that minor runed builds get worse over time. Not only is your damage weaker, but your heal output is also weaker, doubling the effect. This is why your minor runed builds fall apart so easily, and you resort to knock down/interrupt spam and going overboard with passive defences to compensate. And then you still fail, because you spread yourself so thin to compensate for the initial weakness that you can't do anything.

On a standard [word of healing] Monk with 14 Healing Prayers, 11 Divine Favor and 9 Protection Prayers (being very generous here since most [word of healing] Monks will split their attributes even further for a secondary profession to hold them up), versus my Boon Prot with 16 Divine Favor, 10 protection Prayers and 9 Wilderness Survival...

[word of healing] does 129-238; [reversal of fortune] does 115-173
[signet of rejuvenation] does 71-142; [Signet of devotion] does 106
[dismiss condition] does 35-86 and removes one condition; [draw conditions] does 114, 0-190 to self, removes all conditions and feeds [melandrus resilience] for +0-+10 Health/Energy regeneration.
[guardian] lasts 5 seconds (most [word of healing] Monks will have 4 seconds), and does 35;[guardian] lasts 6 seconds (through enchantment equipment) and does 114.

greep wrote:

The derv build is just plain bad, there's not much more to say. It's bad because as said earlier, only an idiot sits in firestorm. If they had even one complete idiot, they would've lost anyways

Anyone can say something is bad. Not everyone can back it up with evidence, explanation and reason. Only an idiot makes claims without evidence, explanation and reason, especially in the face of evidence, explanation and reason that conflicts with their poorly constructed opinion. And only an idiot thinks [fire storm] needs to trigger 10 times to do its job. It can serve purely as a deterrent to save your Monk, never triggering and yet fulfilling its purpose. While you're priding yourself on beating new players in Random Arena, I'm pugging my way to victory against the best you lot can offer, and the lack of genuine competition is just sad.

Village Idiot: a person locally known for ignorance or stupidity, but is also a common term for a stereotypically silly or nonsensical person
Idiot Village: a sanctuary for village idiots, where they can buff and reassure each other that what they're doing is normal

greep wrote:

I'm not saying unconventional builds are bad

Yes you are. You advocate a 2005 meta Monk, which is as conventional as you can get. You knock my unconventional builds using flawed and incomplete arguments, without offering valid evidence, explanation and reason, while ignoring the evidence, explanation and reason already shown to support them.

greep wrote:

I've frequently predicted metas months in advance

Forest Gump could predict meta. 'Meta' is nothing more than simple cheap builds for bad players. Even Silven claims he makes meta. Too many people believing their own nonsense.

greep wrote:

really surprised at how long it took the idiots to figure out fear me sins were massively OP let alone good

Assassins are not massively overpowered, especially not ones that use [fear me]. [fear me] was changed a long time ago to make it a less spammable shout that was used in village idiot builds. If you think it's overpowered, you seriously need to look at your options more. Most of the Assassin build options are broken/weak, offering little variety outside of griefing or pure dps. Assassins have always been popular, because they were created largely as an easy ninja profession for kids. That was their main sales gimmick for Factions, to appeal to kids. Didn't you know? You might want to consider running [fear me] on a Dervish in combination with [avatar of lyssa].

greep wrote:

I've had some I don't really get why they never caught on. E.g., the glyph of essence pheonix hammer. Crushing blow + insta phoenix with a pre-glyph is literally 75% of a lifebar instantly gone. I've seen it a few times on some gladiators as well, but it never caught on for some reason

Because build popularity has nothing to do with how good they are, and everything to do with how easy they are as explained here.

[glyph of essence][phoenix][crushing blow] can work as either W/E or E/W, even though its too slow and fragile (locked to a 20 spike second combo with no pressure sucks). It also leaves you as an Elementalist with a Hammer or a Warrior with [Phoenix]. Players won't be able to see past 'Ele with a Hammer' or 'Warrior with [Phoenix]' any more than you can't see past 'Dervish with [fire storm]'. Consider your build alongside these options below, and notice how you're using a simple knockdown sequence as training wheels to make your combo work easier, at the cost of damage and pressure, instead of using strategy and tactics to position yourself and take advantage of openings in order to get your PBAOE out successfully.

[Original;OgFToY2M5BAAAALAAAQwAJCAAA]
[Original Warrior;OQYTo2oO1JxtUAL/V7SwAJKAAA]
[Original Elementalist;OgFToY2M5JxtUALBWbRwAJKAAA]
[Faster combo;OgFToY2M5JxtUALB2bxQMnJAAA]
[Sword;OQYTo2IS35wCY0+/VbRwAJKAAA]
[Axe;OQYTo2IK3hqAq5r/k/awAJKAAA]
[Scythe;OgpkowMTqueDA+WwLEv7icmAAXA]
[Phoenix Dragon;OgdToYG/nZIeL4FBDkhAosiLAA]

I have a saying: Utility should assist damage, not replace it.[build prof][/build]